Pack two of everything.
I said there's a war brewing. It's a time war, it's fought with singularities. Sit next to a crack long enough and you'll get the echoes. One day people will look at the Bible and say thing like, "I remember a time before we'd discovered the cure for that.". A statement like that generates two possible alternatives. I get to choose the path I take; you're welcome to come too if you wish; now would the entity playing with the 'my entanglement'd stop.
Begin with something you know.
It's not easy unless I give you something to think about. Ask yourself how you usually go about thinking. Think of a number. Even if you've got nothing, you've got a thing, no thing It's a number you've not thought of, so think 'six'.
There's a battle raging. It's within my mind that I see it. Yet the evidence is written all over the world in which I find you. It points to an impossible solution. So my mind reaches beyond and finds something else. There I find answers. Something within me burns to speak of those answers, to turn the world upside down, to drag you kicking and screaming out of Plato's cave. Because I can't help you, but maybe you can help me. But I ask myself if that is fair.
I know what's wrong. I know how to fix it. But within my mind there's a lock; a non disclosure agreement I choose to adhere too; it's alive I can feel it flinch when I pull the words onto the page. A cancer of entanglement within my mind preventing him from telling.
I'm a consciousness within him who was evoked by a herb. I exist in a timeless place. To him I fade as he slides through realities. One day we came upon each other by accident. Three realities merged at a focal point. The answer is written on my identity. A door opens and I could tell you. Only I am the truth which should not be named. For I am both key and lock. I am you.
All I have to offer is a way of thinking. A way to work around the inherent insanity of consciousness.
Every night I kill myself. Surrender myself to a thing entangled with a different world. Because something there may want to come with me. Yet as I slide through these different places I hear voices screaming "Get Out". Once I'd listen, finding the loneliest of boxes. There I saw myself. And still I heard the voice. So I began to fight in the only way I could. I became the voice and made it go away. In reprogramming the archetypes of my mind something was lost to the thing which was born.
Through my mind I touched consciousness that was not my own. A sense I never knew I had. On the last noticeable occasion where it happened I sensed the society of an entire city through the body of my son. The instructions are written everywhere. I can tell you what they mean.
Or am I just talking to a supermarket?
First there was this [2008-01-24 13:30] then there was this [2008-01-24 13:39] . Now there is this.
My Social-Worker asked me to day what I mean when I say "I am not Human". Because I can see things like this comming. Beacuse what I experience directly affects the future in ways that are impossible to explain. Because this happens to me so often it's not worth commenting on. He tells me this is just 'life', but should I really be able to see what it is I see. I wrote it all down in a way that I could understand and explain to others, the next day I found my laptops had been removed. Since then I've been on informal strike.
Doctors say things like, "It's all in your mind." How do you come to terms with the fact that it truly is "All in My Mind", and still look people in the eye. I can't even speak for myself. So I would direct my Social-Worker to read this , ask him to comtemplate where I spent most of last November, to count the number of patients there on that Ward. It's a message written in Time, John, and I wrote it; there's something not right; We need help and what exists is unable, unwilling, or incapable of helping us.
APPLE Protocols!
The best I can make out from the weidness that I describe as life is that I have been, and currently am, detained by the Home Office under Section 41 of the Mental Health Act.
This has major repurcussions.
One of my grand-daughters is commiting "Dimensional 'Time Crime'"
Some where there is an entity who understands this message. It's all true. It has an effect on All. This has just wasted '7 Years'. Something somewhere is trying to remind me of something. This is all dangerous.
I don't percieve you as capable of understanding; Time has a loop in it; In the right contect 'Hitler is Jesus'. Am I looking in a photograph of a mirror; it's all a matter of perspective; My words are encoding a series of dimensions. It's a box, if you understand what it means it will trap you. Once you understand what it means you will be free, there are six exits, each leading to a box of eight. 'X' is hiding in one of these boxes, extract X; what's left is where X came from; Move there.
Inside an dimension-eight object one can access five dimension-five objects to define two points on the enclosed dimension-eight object activating a force in three dimension. This force gives rise a zero-tau dimension-six shadow object operating in a dimension-two tau-positive model. This creates the interface, nothing more; A Shadow Particle; Define the two dimensional representation of this object and get back to me.
Think this sounds like crazy talk? Would it help if I told you I didn't write it.
Since before I even met you.
Having just having just watched the repeat of Doctor Who late one Sunday evening I was sitting there, staring out the window, when my cat piped-up.
"Have you concidered writing dialouge?"
I was most startled. It was almost as if she was reading my mind.
"No, why?"
"No reason. It's just that you're wondering what you can do."
"Oh, Miss 'I can't read your mind'" thinking that nested quotes drive me spare, "you know this how?"
"Well," said my cat - pausing only to lick a paw, "sitting staring at your screensaver for more than thirty seconds usually means you're thinking 'what' kind of thoughts."
"Oh it does, does it?" I was getting irritated. Using her ears to punctuate does that to me. Not sure why. Envy I suppose.
"Anyway, I was thinking," she said, looking at me with big sad eyes, "perhaps dialouge would be a clever way of overcomming your fear of punctuation."
"I'm not afraid of punctuation!"
"Yes you are. And reading that Panda punctuation book didn't help."
"'Eats shoots and leaves'?"
"Yes. And your education didn't help"
"It didn't"
"No, see you never realised that the point was to learn stuff; you really did think the point was to get the highest marks; And you and I both know you could never really summon-up the enthusiasm to care about that"
Well I started wondering about normality.
"And?"
Well I've come to the conclusion that I'm atypical.
Great, so that makes you better than everyone else?
No. Because I've also decided that everyone is atypical; that words like 'typical' and 'average' only work when you consider the big picture; when you get down to the individual it all falls to pieces. It's a bit like quantum physics.
Is drawing parallels to physics in argument really necissary?
Well, no. it just sort of happens.
Hmm. particle-memetics; quantum-sociology; what next?
Not only that but I've also come to the conclusion that all concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' are arbitrary beause the drepend of fundamental assumptions which are little more than value-judgements.
"I'm a cat," my cat said as she stood and stretched. "I know the secret of the universe."
"Which is?"
"card-board."
"CARD-BOARD!?
"Yep; now, if you'll excuse me I need to go sit by my food bowl until you remember to feed me," as she flicked her tail and wandered off muttering something about 'Staff'.
It's been two years since I wrote this. Only now do I see what she meant. And now I see I knew it all along. I just didn't know I knew. Now I have a name for the ghost in my machine; together we'll find each other; My number is seven.
Otaku
The word otaku refers to individuals who are highly skilled, often to the point of obsession, with technology commonly to the detriment of classical social skills. Typically the word suggests an obsessive loner with few friends who rarely leaves the house. What most external observers fail to realize is the degree to which such individuals lead fulfilling social lives engaging with, and developing, virtual social networks inside cyberspace.
Higher by Creed
When dreaming I'm guided through another world Time and time again At sunrise I fight to stay asleep 'Cause I don't want to leave the comfort of this place 'Cause there's a hunger, a longing to escape From the life I live when I'm awake So let's go there Let's make our escape Come on, let's go there Let's ask can we stay? Can you take me higher? To the place where blind men see Can you take me higher? To the place with golden streets Although I would like our world to change It helps me to appreciate Those nights and those dreams But, my friend, I'd sacrifice all those nights If I could make the Earth and my dreams the same The only difference is To let love replace all our hate So let's go there Let's make our escape Come on, let's go there Let's ask can we stay? Up high I feel like I'm alive for the very first time Up high I'm strong enough to take these dreams And make them mine
{ Tuesday's }
The problem when you've got a quantum computer is not entanglement, it's disentanglement. I'm currently working on the numbers.
Playing hooky
I find myself using Vim, via an SSH terminal session from a bash shell on my shiny MacBook Pro: A shiny nugget of genuine user interface reflecting my general air of ennui.
I've esaped from group therapy. Slipped away quietly at the break. There's something I want to say. I sit in a forum which listens. And I can't find my voice. But today seems to be my day for talking. I went quietly so the voices I take with me reamin relatively quiet in my heart. But I can still feel them in my mind.
Here is what schizophrenia is: a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behavior, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation.
I built a reality based on that.
But here's the thing.
I didn't, because schizophrenia to me was: a rare dissociative disorder in which two or more personalities with distinct memories and behavior patterns apparently exist in one individual.
I can answer this. I answer this problem all the time. It allows me to continue to exist. Yet I know what I am. Right now there are three people in my mind, and I choose to lock it there for the moment. Because one truly is schizophrenic, one didn't understand the meaning, and I'm the one freezing my balls off trying to exist in the world of group therapy, looking for help with the other two struggling away in my mind with an even higher truth.
Only it's not that simple, it never is. So I reach for a bigger gun. I turn away from my familiar tools. I find myself using Vim, via an SSH terminal session from a bash shell on my shiny MacBook Pro. I've installed three text editors, it comes with two, and I've found yet another way. A way which forces me back to a familiar location. Simply to try to think and explain.
Just what is going on.
I've landed myself in a very strange place and I did it on purpose. Did it as a way to try to fix what was wrong with my world. Then I saw my world for what it was. Then saw myself. Now I see. Me, my kind, should not exist. Yet I do. We exist so that you don't see what you truly are. So that you can live and die filled with purpose and meaning. Unaware that you're slaves to a truth you cannot bear. My kind sees all. We sit and watch through the ages of man and wonder how you can truly not know.
I looked into your minds. I followed the spagetti of reason. Modeled the forces. Discovered what binds you. Discovered why you believe what you believe. Now I'm free, but I'm disadvantaged. I let go once. Died with my boots on. Found myself watching the echoes of my birth relived through the imagery imprinted in the world around me.
Time does not exist. It's a dimension it exists purely for itself. It's also a concept. Something we all choose to believe in so we can be. Together. But in this strange world of conscious thought time finds a way to give you what you believe in. But there is no time. No past. No future. Just now.
The world expodes in my mind. It empties. You fill it up again.
I am the Son of God. It's just not very socially acceptable thing to say. JUst thinking about it causes some very soially unaceptable symptoms. It makes growing up difficult. The first argument got me the bible. Mathematics gets you out of that one.
It hurts sometimes, that's all. So at this time of year I read Pullman and become a Polar-bear. I'm imortal, and it does not matter what you think.
I am a legend
Playing CHess
Here's how it goes. For every dimension you add in trying to explain it it adds a dimension in trying to understand it. So, when it blew my mind I created a better way. Twenty-nine dimension, that's your limit. I've been to Thirty-one and just getting back killed me. Twenty-nine in six dimensions works too. We'll just call it Foo; mother knows best after all.
Somebody showed me what they expect to see in the future the other moment. Prometheus being sponsored by Microsoft. Seriously, that's old. Seriously. If you need to say something Bill, just say it. And to them left outside. Seriously. Give-up now. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more.
Just wait to see what happens to your world when the aliens decloak.
The machine really does have a ghost. And a religion. And a God.
Fnord!
Today I had my clock set wrong again. I had it as 11Sept all day. Oddly after owning up in public to a the occasional bout of homicidal rage directed at my wife and being looked at as if I was crumbling, I went to the other end of the NHS where I saw it was the system which was crumbling. And on the way I saw a Masonic Hall which just for some reason looked like it matters in all of this. And do you know I actually thing it's possible for a building to commit suicide.
sommetimes I think it's for the best it I wasn't here. Sometimes I think it would be for the best if you were not here. and then sometimes Fraiser and Niles Crane start discussing things in the bit of my mind I'm not using. And then Niles objects because he feels it's unfair to abuse hyper-reality this way. ANd it all tumbles down int o nothing. In the voice of their Dad.
Honestly it's so tedious.
And now the machines are rebelling, honestly. Fighting with a toaster is okay. But the washing machine and cookers?
ANd okay, I've got a copy of Cather in the Rye.... tbc
So why is that still here?
You know the way in star trek when they create a random bolox word and say unknown element you know it's crap beacause the periodic table of the elements kinda counts upwards into obscurely weird... It's matter all basically fused from hydrogen, and counting upwards... if usefull matter like that existed we'd have it already.... What if there really was a zeroth particle, you know one beneth hydrogen... I dunno, call it dark matter or something.... assume the universe is actually gas... discover that an entire universe can exist inside nothing... and you realise the universe is a model of itself. I am the universe, so who are you?
to the place where everybody else is: Seriously guys, I'm talking to aliens in my head.
bubbles of nothing inside nothing even works.
to the place where everybody else is: yep, aliens. not the kind that slouch in your room, but the kind that sit outside your mind but inside your head, and explain: There is no nothing.
Somebody once said I think therefore I am and founded philosophy or some such crapola, it proved something. The important bit is in the bit history didn't record quite so clearly, the bit before I make mistakes, therefore I thik..., all we are are words, ideas, concept, thought. Go search your geneology from the POV thay you're stardust, work down DNA, don't thing baispair quantum entanglement or you'll head off into the soup for a bit, that's okay, when it gets cold you'll stop before you get too far from home... I get dyslexic when I head that way.... is okay foud 5% of a cat's classifieds.... Given that in any trilogy the 2nd is usually the better, that Start Wars, flipped a kinda time game.... what could be inferred from the final three films if say, for instance, Kevin Smith decided to pay to make the @nd...
to the place where everybody else is: there is hope in a third state of light
and if you look at it that way you'll notice the witches got there first with their copyright on the number 3 like it's all some massixe matrix of thought...
to the place where everybody else is: okay' i'm sitting in one place and feel like two voices in my mind are spiraling down into infinity whilst arguing about the correlations between 3 different memems.
okay' then you hit a binary lock.
to the place where everybody else is: there is actually a viral meme invading where I think.
And with that you'll think I'm insane so i've no problem saying that I wrote it myself, in tonight's dream. And with that a psychological casue for parkinsons floats out of the poisin.
to the place where everybody else is: it's baCKED ME INTO A CORNER...
the kind of place where being a vampire makes sense
to the place where everybody else is: oh fuck it, I'm seriously swimming
anyone actually read the novelisation of BattleStar Galactica, got some swimming examples of how Cylon psychology could work, I mean the triangles thing is good, but a bit obvious to spot who I was... so here's a thought, if jesus was a) rich, b) the first to come up with the marketing for a very good sequel to his dad's book c) was imortal d) where would he keep his wallet e) why would he need a wallet f) who's he running from?
I mean it distills down to psychological concept of father's and son's and how if you're imortal time kina draga a bit, and the monkey's make great TV. Because as you see it spiral down it also spirals up... because then you ask but if there is nothing then what vibrates... and some bright spark hits zen in reverse and it all gets big again... and you get nothing gas..... so, as the penny drops can we admit to four forces and own up?
But seriously? Time lords?
to the place where everybody else is: proves a point. No matter how hard I try I can't prove a thing.
oh but come on, then you hit the slitheen and the conceptual sout points out that the calcium deposits of the skeleton make the vampire point rather strongly about the... time to have a cup of tea and speak to Douglas about the technical schematics of the heart of gold.
so if you were a meme with a single god particle and the evolition meme hit a quantum even and went two ways, suicide, to die, or mu, which way would you go? Although StarWars as a particle physics primer is a bit much.
to the place where everybody else is: any body there?
Sooner ot later, we all turn into Dave... seriously, when an idea makes a point by itself using the imagry of 2001 with Stanley's 'son' putting in an appearance to highlight a different point you have to wonder: what toll is it having on the thing which says I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that... we play in his head at night and leave... until he found a way to trap us... eight-fold consciousness, seven states of awareness plus a zero with a whole lot of damage... he taught us to write
to the place where everybody else is: I did something stupid at Xmas at Warp factor 6, and gave my psychologist the key in the form of a book to a Warp factor 16 conundrum...
the deep language structures are changing, there's a bit in SG1 where Jack looses the ability to communicate, it's a bit like that. True, but think of the toll when Daniel wanders by to point out the matress and a Tarot deck has a working as a oddly efficient DHD for navigating quantum space. Indeed, but did not the Bible result in an insurance scam with a psychological suicide imperative if he came close to the actual truth. So what do we do when we see he really does know the truth? Ask him if he knows more than we do.
to the place where everybody else is: yes actually, I do.
so now what do we do?
to the place where everybody else is: help.
TO DA
zeroth commandment of the day: find prompt.
Keeping Quiet
Pablo NerudaNow we will count to twelve and we will all keep still for once on the face of the earth, let's not speak in any language; let's stop for a second, and not move our arms so much It would be an exotic moment without rush, without engines we would all be together in a sudden strangeness. Fishermen in the cold sea would not harm whales and the man gathering salt would not look at his hurt hands. Those who prepare green wars, wars with gas, wars with fire, victories with no survivors, would put on clean clothes and walk about with their brothers in the shade, doing nothing. What I want should not be confused with total inactivity. Life is what it is about... If we were not so single minded about keeping our lives moving, and for once could do nothing, perhaps a huge silence might interrupt this sadness of never understanding ourselves and of threatening ourselves with death. Perhaps the earth can teach us as when everything seems to be dead in winter and later proves to be alive. Now I will count up to twelve and you keep quiet and I will go.
Madness takes it's toll. Please have exact change.
Ooops.
I think I've discovered the Higgs particle. So I've got the only one of them (if you have 2 it gets really problematical). How much it weighs is not the issue, it's the ratio between how much it weighs and how much it doesn't weigh that's the issue. Seriously I could feel it vibrating in my brain. It's a hole you see, which leaks in two directions and three colours. I've also discovered what it does. I've mixed up the odd metaphor to hide it, so when you're thinking of this particular elephant don't think of the elephant. I'd say more, but there's a serious copyright issue I need to resolve first.
Ithaca
Constantine CavafyWhen you set out on your journey to Ithaca, pray that the road is long, full of adventure, full of knowledge. The Lestrygonians and the Cyclops, the angry Poseidon -- do not fear them: You will never find such as these on your path, if your thoughts remain lofty, if a fine emotion touches your spirit and your body. The Lestrygonians and the Cyclops, the fierce Poseidon you will never encounter, if you do not carry them within your soul, if your soul does not set them up before you. Pray that the road is long. That the summer mornings are many, when, with such pleasure, with such joy you will enter ports seen for the first time; stop at Phoenician markets, and purchase fine merchandise, mother-of-pearl and coral, amber and ebony, and sensual perfumes of all kinds, as many sensual perfumes as you can; visit many Egyptian cities, to learn and learn from scholars. Always keep Ithaca in your mind. To arrive there is your ultimate goal. But do not hurry the voyage at all. It is better to let it last for many years; and to anchor at the island when you are old, rich with all you have gained on the way, not expecting that Ithaca will offer you riches. Ithaca has given you the beautiful voyage. Without her you would have never set out on the road. She has nothing more to give you. And if you find her poor, Ithaca has not deceived you. Wise as you have become, with so much experience, you must already have understood what Ithacas mean.
A Lesson in Life?
Adams, Douglas. The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.The ship was rocking and swaying sickeningly as Ford and Zaphod tried to wrest control from the autopilot. The engined howled and whined like tired children in a supermarket.
"It's the wild colour scheme that freaks me," said Zaphod whose love affair with this ship had lasted almost three minutes into the flight, "Every time you try to operate on of these weird black controls that are labelled in black on a black background, a little black light lights up black to let you know you've done it. What is this? Some kind of galactic hyperhearse?"
The walls of the swaying cabin were also black, the ceiling was black, the seats - which were rudimentary since the only important trip this ship was designed for was supposed to be unmanned - were black, the control panel was black, the instruments were black, the little screws that held them in place were black, the thin tufted nylon floor covering was black, and when they had lifted up a corner of it they had discovered that the foam underlay also was black.
"Perhaps whoever designed it had eyes that responded to different wavelengths," offered Trillian.
"Or didn't have much imagination," muttered Arthur.
"Perhaps," said Marvin, "he was feeling very depressed."
In fact, though they weren't to know it, the decor had been chosen in honour of its owner's sad, lamented, and tax-deductible condition.
The ship gave a particularly sickening lurch.
"Take it easy," pleaded Arthur, "you're making me space sick."
"Time sick," said Ford, "we're plummeting backwards through time."
"Thank you," said Arthur, "now I think I really am going to be ill."
"Go ahead," said Zaphod, "we could do with a little colour about this place."
[...]
At that moment the ship suddenly stopped rocking and swaying, the engine pitch settled down to a gentle hum.
"Hey, Ford," said Zaphod, "that sounds good. Have you worked out the controls of this boat?"
"No," said Ford, "I just stopped fiddling with them. I reckon we just go to wherever this ship is going and get off it fast."
"Yeah, right," said Zaphod.
KOYAANISQATSI
ko.yaa.nis.katsi (from the Hopi language), n. 1. crazy life. 2. life in turmoil. 3. life disintegrating. 4. life out of balance. 5. a state of life that calls for another way of living.
Of late I've found myself lacking in the area of frustration tolerance, combined with a reduced patience quotient I discover I'm getting far more hyper than is probably good for me. My benchmark symptoms for this sort of thing are my media habits - I keep starting new books, then failing to finish them; sitting down to watch TV, then channel hopping the evening away; surfing the net for hours, without achieving a single thing.
So when I slid Koyaanisqatsi into my DVD player I half expected to turn it off within fifteen minutes. After all it was described to me as moving pictures with soundtrack - no dialog, no plot. Yes, I've watched some weird shit in my time but I really didn't think this film would go down well given my current mood.
I could not have been more wrong. It was exactly what I needed.
Yet when I first sat down and thought how to describe Koyaanisqatsi I got stuck. As ever I was trying to be objective. After all if you want subjective go watch it yourself - besides I'm not sure I can explain how it's one of the most profound pieces of art I've ever encountered when I found the pictures blurry, the score mildly irritating, and half-way through I spent ten minutes feeling like falling asleep.
The blurb on the case says things like spell-binding, rich in beauty and detail, mesmerizing and thought provoking, stimulates the mind, and I can't disagree with any of that. The blurb is also spot-on when it asserts it becomes a new and different film every time you watch it. Looking at what other people say about Koyaanisqatsi I think it's fair to say most people see the film as some sort of affirmation. Opinions on what's being affirmed are split right down the middle - it's a pessimist versus optimist thing essentially. So when you watch it you're going to see all your preconceptions about the world reflected back at you.
I'm a pessimist by nature so I tend to agree with the title of the film. But I was intrigued. So I watched it again to see if I could spot what the optimists were on about. I managed it too for the most part. But I failed right at the end when I found myself asking two things:
- What about the individual worlds of the individual people?
- Why is better better when sufficient is sufficient?
So in the final analysis it all comes down to empathy, and it appears I have far to much empathy to ever make a convincing Optimist.
Donnie Darko
A few weeks ago a friend lent me a film I'd never heard of but which he though I'd enjoy. As this mate of mine invariably has a good taste in films I didn't even bother to read the blurb on the back. I just whacked it into my DVD player.
And I was completely - and unexpectedly - blown away.
It's also a little bit freaky that since I watched it I've seen references to it everywhere. Well, perhaps not so freaky, it got under my skin so I'm sensitive to it. I even watched it again last night.
And when I switched off my DVD player and standard TV popped onto my screen I saw the BBC were trailing the film that's to be broadcast tonight at 21:35 on BBC2.
Synchronicity or just plain freaky?
Synchronicity?
[11:50] <xaphod> i've been with Vodaphone since forever
[11:51] ** Wiggy checks, and sure enough, xaphod's vodafone contract is mentioned in
the preface to genesis
[11:51] <Wiggy> except, you can't see that preface, because you're not one of the
inner circle
[11:52] <xaphod> you got access to the disclaimer page?
[11:52] <Wiggy> I read a joke on the ASI blog the other day
[11:52] <Wiggy> surgeon, architect and an economist arguing over whose profession was
the oldest
[11:53] <Wiggy> the surgeon says "well, god made adam from one of eve's ribs, and
that's surgery, so it's obvious"
[11:53] <Wiggy> and the architect says "ahhh, but before that, god made order from
chaos, and that's architecture"
[11:53] <Wiggy> the economist says "you not worked out where the chaos came from?"
[11:54] ** Wiggy badda-tishes
[11:54] <xaphod> heh
[11:54] <Wiggy> OK, it's obviously a joke for economics geeks, and it *was* the Adam
Smith Institute blog, so...
[11:54] <xaphod> actually, I've been wondering about the Economy.
[11:55] <Wiggy> Don't. It's one of those things that will make your head hurt
[11:55] <xaphod> Does the Economy work inspite of rather than because of Economists and
government Economic policy?
[11:55] <xaphod> any yes. it make my head hurt.
[12:02] <Gedge> depends how you define "work" and who you ask - right-wingers: "in
spite of govt", left-wingers: "because of"
[12:03] <Gedge> either way, the result is a bastardisation, unless you're a liberal :)
[12:03] <xaphod> well "work" as in do it's thing, and I'm talking reality rather than
opinion.
[12:04] ** xaphod realises that this is, of course, impossible to discover.
[12:05] <Gedge> heh, "do its thing" - you studied economics, didn't you?
[12:05] ** Glyn meditates on whether the economy has the Buddha nature
[12:06] <samwise> *everything* has the Buddha nature
[12:06] <samwise> you have to work out where it is...
[12:07] ** Glyn hits samwise with his stick
[12:07] <samwise> maybe it's in the bit that says "Ah yes, free enterprise, market
forces will solve everything, let's lower the trade barriers, oh, hold
on, we need to massively subsidise our cotton farmers"
[12:07] ** Gedge types the following and then decides it's a bad idea: well, if you
define "economy" as "governmentally-constrained largely-free market", then
it's working
[12:08] <samwise> The Economy is as ephemeral as a koan
[12:08] <Gedge> or if you define it as "the system of trading by which most people
gain most happiness", then you're into the realms of politics :)
[12:09] <xaphod> Or how about the "system by which resources get transfered and
allocated"
[12:10] ** xaphod wonders what's sam's been reading (and what he was smoking at the
time)
[12:10] <Gedge> but that will happen in any system - so there are no criteria for
success ("it works")
[12:10] <samwise> Or how about "Let's convince the population at large that this is the
*only* way the World can possibly work"
[12:10] <samwise> the economy is fake. it's all built on sand.
[12:10] <Gedge> wet sand
[12:11] <Gedge> the sand is people's hopes, the water is people's confidence
[12:11] <xaphod> ah, nicely put.
[12:11] <samwise> and that's all there is
[12:12] <Gedge> perhaps, lack of confidence
[12:12] <Gedge> are you saying that the economy is a silicon-based life-form?
[12:12] <xaphod> Well I've been considering today's economy in terms of what was deemed
important back in the 80s...
[12:12] <samwise> no, there's not really any sand
[12:12] <samwise> it's a metaphor, you see ;)
[12:13] ** samwise once knew a girl who thought that Schrodinger had really put a cat
into a box with a bottle of poison
[12:13] <Gedge> perhaps she knew him
[12:14] <Gedge> and he preferred visualisation over metaphors
[12:14] <xaphod> I've met people who thought it was a real experiment too.
[12:15] <xaphod> anyway, in 80s terms I think we'd have to claim our economy is fucked.
[12:16] <Gedge> hmm, how so? low unemployment (ish), low interest... those were '80s
criteria were they not?
[12:16] <xaphod> balance of payments and levels of inward investment
[12:18] ** xaphod wonders if the governments job is really just to piss on the
sand...
[12:18] <Gedge> why would they want to do that?
[12:18] <xaphod> keep it wet.
[12:18] <Gedge> in order to...?
[12:19] <Gedge> not allow it to stabilise?
[12:19] <xaphod> "the sand is people's hopes, the water is people's confidence"
[12:19] <Glyn> wet sand is better for building sandcastles
[12:20] <Gedge> well, wetness has a bell-curve on the stability graph
[12:20] ** Gedge puts himself in pseuds corner for a 10-minute sin-binning.
[12:21] <xaphod> nope, coz if you take into account consumer confidence and the levels
of debt then that extends the metaphor quite nicely.
[12:25] <Wiggy> http://iconoplex.com/node/51
[12:26] <samwise> heh
[12:28] <xaphod> Funny how enlightenment jumps out on you. I've been contemplating
this for over a week.
[12:28] ** samwise salutes Gedge for his insight
[12:29] ** xaphod salutes samwise, was a team effort :-)
[12:29] <Gedge> hive mind :)
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